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Episode 19 - Live, Laugh, Love, Draw

January 19, 2021 Season 1 Episode 19
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Episode 19 - Live, Laugh, Love, Draw
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Episode 19 - Live, Laugh, Love, Draw
Jan 19, 2021 Season 1 Episode 19

It's an extended episode of The Far Post! Angela Christian-Wilkes, Marissa Lordanic, Sam Lewis, and Anna Harrington chat about woso here and abroad. The gang discuss Chelsea v Man Utd (3:06) and hear some breaking Lionesses news. There's also chat about the W-League including: the Sydney derby double header (15:27), Emily Condon and Adelaide United (24:09), and Brisbane Draw (29:32). Tara Andrews (30:55), Rado Vidosic and Melbourne City (37:44) also get a heap of praise. It's a Big Boot to the Melbourne derby incident (46:32) [strong language warning] and, of course, some You Love to See Its (0:30) and How Goods?! (1:17:17). Follow The Far Post on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

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It's an extended episode of The Far Post! Angela Christian-Wilkes, Marissa Lordanic, Sam Lewis, and Anna Harrington chat about woso here and abroad. The gang discuss Chelsea v Man Utd (3:06) and hear some breaking Lionesses news. There's also chat about the W-League including: the Sydney derby double header (15:27), Emily Condon and Adelaide United (24:09), and Brisbane Draw (29:32). Tara Andrews (30:55), Rado Vidosic and Melbourne City (37:44) also get a heap of praise. It's a Big Boot to the Melbourne derby incident (46:32) [strong language warning] and, of course, some You Love to See Its (0:30) and How Goods?! (1:17:17). Follow The Far Post on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

Marissa Lordanic:

Hello, and welcome to another episode of the far post podcast. My name is Marissa Lordanic. I'm joined by Sam Lewis and Anna Harrington, Angela Christian-Wilkes. We don't have time for elaborate intros this week we're getting straight into stuff so you love to see it. Let's Let's do it. Sam, what did you love to say this week?

Sam Lewis:

I loved to see this week a number of players score their debut W-League goals and all these players also happened to be on the winning teams which made it even better so we saw a debut goal for Mackenzie Hawkseby from Sydney FC she scored the penalty against Western Sydney in the return derby which was amazing. She had a fantastic game as well. We saw Harriet Withers for Melbourne city score in the Darby the Melbourne Derby. She's had a great start to her season. It's really good to see her finally get off the mark. And we also saw a debut goal to Fiona Worts from Adelaide united in order to get one up against Perth Glory again, so it's just yeah, it's awesome. Like technically, Claudia Bunge from Melbourne victory also got a debut goal, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm trying to delete it. Anyway, it's been great to see a bunch of players score their debut goals for for their various clubs in the dub. You love to see it.

Marissa Lordanic:

Moving right along. Anna what did you love to see this week?

Anna Harrington:

I love to see Alex Chidiac make a first start in the W league since returning and absolutely thriving. She scored the opening goal really nice bit of awareness to pick up the loose ball and just put it past Gaby Garton and was sort of involved in spurts throughout the match but when it counted she was there and slipped through this amazing ball for Harriet Withers who got mentioned before to score the winner. And yeah just a fantastic performance first up. Rado Vidosic, absolutely buzzing with what she could create and thinks there's more and more to come. So Alex Chidiac showing us what she's got. You love to see it.

Marissa Lordanic:

She was so so good. And Angela, what did you love to see this week?

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

not strictly Australian, but I mean, I watched the game and I loved to see Lauren James' goal for Manchester United in their game against Chelsea, which was last night Australian time she came on at halftime and it was just she takes on a bunch of defenders and then it just you just have to go watch it because it's so beautiful the way that it just curls in right out of Ann-Katrin Berger's reach in the bottom right corner. It perfect shot. And unfortunately for Casey Stoney and Man U they didn't win that game. But yeah, really, really classy goal and it was one of her first touches of the game as well. So love to see that.

Marissa Lordanic:

It really was a great goal and we'll definitely give it a retweet. But it's a fitting that we mentioned man united and that goal in that game because we'll start our FA WSL chat right there with the Chelsea Man United game Chelsea ended up taking the win two -one. It was it was an interesting game. And it was big in the context I suppose of the title, race. Angela, you watched the match you were all over it. What did you make of the game as a whole?

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

It was just I think it was just fantastic viewing all around. One thing that did stand out, I guess if you just watch the first 15 minutes of the game, you can see that Sam Kerr's getting involved a lot. She had a few chances as well. And throughout after that, you can see her connect with Kirby, which goes off what we were talking about last week with their partnership, which is awesome to see. Yeah, and I I don't know, I think it was just a real. I mean, Chelsea was obviously the more dominant side I I felt but you could say that Manchester United did perhaps lack that little spark that .... that Tobin Heath brings the commentator talked about that a lot. What's Tobin Heath up to she wasn't in the warm up, but she's on the bench but she's not wearing boats. Anyway, she wasn't playing. I think she got a knock. So they were just playing it safe there. But yeah, I think I'm really glad that I watched the full 90 minutes and would highly recommend if you have some spare time during the same as Yeah, I think it was a standout game. And I think also, I was happy with either side winning as well. I think in terms of the narrative of this year's FAWSL. Yeah, both put in really great performances there. But yeah, the Fran Kirby strikes again, and I think It's really just going to be her season from here on out. She's performing brilliantly. So yeah,

Anna Harrington:

I think one thing from the Australian point of view is and one of my colleagues at AAP in Chad Brown in London report on the Sam Kerr missed four chances in the first 20 minutes. And I guess early in her career at Chelsea, she was pretty wasteful. And I guess that popped up again today. Fran Kirby actually went into bat for her pretty quickly and just said, they get a really good vibe off each other and she knows if she puts the ball in the right areas Sam's gonna get on the end of them, she's a confidence player, we need to make sure we get around her and not put too much pressure on her because a lot of pressure on her coming in. And she's a massive player for and we have to make sure we keep her head in a good spot. So that's um, I thought that was quite interesting that she straightaway gone in and look to defend Sam who's probably copped a little bit of criticism throughout but had been in Super form like sparkling form for Chelsea, which I think just shows where this team's at in terms of it's so star studded and they know that some weeks it'ss going to be Sam Kerr that scores. Other weeks it's going to be fran Kirby, Pernille Harder or other players chipping in here, there and everywhere Beth England, like, I like that there is that sort of real goodwill. We've talked before about how cutthroat Europe and top teams can be but Chelsea seemed to have this, this really good connection there, especially between them, Kerr and Kirby, which we talked about last week, I'd be inclined to give Sam Kerr a little bit of a pass this week. Anyway, look at how disruptive these past couple of weeks have been. For teams, we know their last game. Well, they've had a game move because of COVID situations, I had nothing to do with them the whole FAWSL I think it's probably been on edge these last couple of weeks. So I'm probably willing to give her a bit of a pass for that. But I just really like to see that Frank Kirby, wh sort of has built into th season herself. In her inte view about her being the matc winner has been asked about Ke r and has made a point of s ying, you know, we've got to elp her out, she helps us out I can back her into finish gene ally. And she's a confidence p ayer. And we've got to look fter her. So yeah, I was a big an of of se I think this is the I mean, this is the game that most people were looking forward to, you know, it was the real top of the table clash. That's how it felt. And I think it it, you know, it And Sam I love that I think they're clearly two managers who showed that it really paid off. And you know, it was a fantastic game. But even then, despite that, the fact that Chelsea should have been three or four goals ahead, within half an hour shows just where they're at in terms of their squad and the ability that this squad has, you know, the fact that Kerr wasn't able to finish them off is the only thing that meant that Chelsea didn't run away with it. I don't think Manchester United could have come back from something like that. But the thing that I loved about Fran Kirby's goal was that it was very samco risk. It was like it was Ann-Katrin Berger. Absolutely hoofing the ball over halfway on the first bounce, and Kirby just like barging aside, I think it was Amy Turner and just getting in behind and slotting the ball pass the goalkeeper. Like talk about Kerr learning stuff from her teammates, I think teammates are starting to learn stuff from Sam Kerr as well. So yeah, it was a it was a really great match. It was absolutely fizzing. I would have been great to see Tobin Heath there as well. I think Tobin Heath missing was a really crucial part of why Manchester united perhaps didn't look as threatening going forward. She's been really, really significant in terms of her stats accumulated over the season in terms of her chance creation, her assists, things like that. And so her not being in that side, I think really affected them in that regard. The other thing that I really loved about this game is that it was the battle between two female managers two of I think the best managers that the League has seen this season so far, two managers who, just judging from the way that their teams have been playing are absolutely world class. And you saw that in the game, you saw the way that they managed the game the way that they manage their players. And it's just like that the respect that they have for each other. You saw that after the final whistle. Like that is so inspiring to see. their players would absolutely run through walls for

Sam Lewis:

totally Yeah,

Anna Harrington:

I think so often when we talk about female coaches, I think the queries are often relate to that sort of thing. And I think whether they can motivate in the same way or get players up and about the same way and I think if you had people ask that you just have to direct them to this game or to any of those two teams performances because clearly the Manchester United players would do anything for Casey Stoney. It's the same with Emma Hayes at Chelsea who's just shows her players all the patience and love and occasionally A clip in the world and her players respond to it like these players respond to these two managers. And, you know, on this occasion it was Emma Hayes, who's won out and probably could have won out by more. But I agree it was so fantastic to see.

Marissa Lordanic:

I'm glad you mentioned the two women coaches, because the thing I loved about that was I realized this maybe an hour before we started recording, and it was just so not a big deal. Like none of the coverage in the lead up to this game was oh two female coaches. Amazing. It was just top of the table clash, really exciting. Two undefeated teams happened to be coached by women. So I think that's something that's really awesome. And it's just so not a big deal in the FAWSL throughout. There are so many female coaches in the league, so they're obviously doing something right. And I reckon that's something we will talk about in a different episode because it's definitely worth a chat. But since we're on the topic of women coaches, we should talk about Tanya Oxtoby and Bristol. So Bristol did not have a good day out they lost four nil to Everton, but Tanya Oxtoby wasn't on the bench, but for really good reasons. And you want to explain why it was actually kind of good that she wasn't on the sideline this week.

Anna Harrington:

Yes. So Tanya Oxtoby is pregnant, and she has just taken maternity leave. So she is going to take some time out of the league in order to give birth to her baby with her partner. And as a result of that Bristol have brought in ex Westham manager, Matt beard. And that's I think it's a an interesting move. I'm not sure that something like this has ever happened in the league before. But I'd be really curious to see actually what happens after Oxtoby returns if she returns. Because Oxtoby hasn't been doing particularly well at Bristol. And you would imagine that the club is probably starting to consider a similar kind of decision to what Westham and what Tottenham have done over the last month or two in sacking managers who've been underperforming and it's looking pretty likely now that Bristol are going to be relegated and I think Oxtoby, despite you know all the issues with resources and things you know, she she does have a role to play in that. And so yeah, I'd be really curious to see whether Matt Beard can turn things around for Bristol, perhaps what they need is an injection of energy, some new ideas, some new sort of dynamic, some new philosophies there. And I mean, Bristol won their Conti Cup game against Aston Villa this week. It was a it was a pretty good performance by them as well. And they've got one of the most exciting young strikers in the league in Ebony Salmon, and she had an absolutely cracking game then too. So yeah, I'd be really interested to see how how Beard does in this interim role. And whether if he turns things around for Bristol, and actually makes them competitive, because they're really not that far off getting out of the relegation zone compared to a couple other clubs. But whether the club might actually look at Beard and say, You know what, we want you to continue doing this and Tanya Oxtoby can perhaps have a little bit longer within her new bub. guys, I'll just mention this now because it looks like it's breaking and it'll be out by the time we this pod goes out. Apparently, Phil Neville is to step down as head coach of England women with immediate effect.

Sam Lewis:

Good,

Anna Harrington:

they're going to have to the FA is going to have to pick a interim head coach to lead the lionesses in February in that international window because Sarina Wiegman is still with the Dutch national team. We know that Phil Neville is off to the MLS with David Beckham's team so yeah, we've we've booted this before we probably don't need to go into too much depth. It's kind of confirming something we already know. But yeah, it's been made official Phil Neville as Marissa would say, see ya.

Marissa Lordanic:

Yeah, all right. So we're breaking news on the pod again, but let's just quickly wrap up FAWSL chat so we also had reading and arsenal draw one one Angela what did you make of that game just briefly.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

They did that Arsenal deserved it They had what's coming to them, this is a follow on from last week. This is just my personal beef about Dubai gate coming up. I don't have actually any any thoughts or onions on the game

Marissa Lordanic:

Alright. Anyway, so the rest of the rounds results we had Man City absolutely trounce Aston Villa seven nil. We had Birmingham and Brighton draw. nil nil. And then we had an another Aussie Darby in Westham and Tottenham, Tottenham came away with the win. Alana Kennedy is still playing in midfield. Emily van Egmond seems to be playing up quite forward, she had a few good chances but couldn't convert. But yeah, so that's FAWSL, we need to keep things moving. We've got lots to chat about. So let's get into the W-League. We had our full complement of games, which is always a nice thing to see. But we will start with the Sydney Derby. It was a derby heavy round. So we had the Sydney Derby First up, Sam, you were at the game. How How was it? What did you make of it?

Anna Harrington:

The game itself was pretty good. I thought Western Sydney responded to their first derby loss pretty well in the first, maybe 20 minutes. You know, they they were really well organized. They're really well structured. They really made it difficult for Sydney to create any clear chances. It was a really nice battle in midfield between some of those players. But they just capitulated. And I think one of the big issues was the loss of Caitlin Cooper. wanderers, Captain centerback. Because after that happened, it just seemed like the Wanderers, their heads dropped a little bit, they lost a little bit of confidence. They lost a little bit of understanding with each other and bringing on Nikola Orgill in place of coops who hadn't played yet. This was her debut. She came on in centerback, which she can play in which I think she did well in but she's naturally more of a fullback. I think that sort of made it difficult for them. And Sydney. I think they their title credentials were pretty well sort of announced in that second half in particular, I thought they were excellent. Makenzie Hawkesby i thought was outstanding. She's been one of those sorts of players that we haven't talked about, really, but she has started every game that Sydney have played so far she's been she's done her job in there, you know, really, really well. And there was an absolutely sensational pass in I think the second half to set up one of the goals. Oh my God, there's a cockroach on my leg. [screams] Just Sydney things with Sam.

Sam Lewis:

Oh, my God. That was so rude I was in the middle of a point. fucking cockroach anyway. Oh, my God, I completely forgot when I was saying, um,

Anna Harrington:

one more thing. I spoke to Princess Ibini before the derby, and asked her about what we've been banging on about, which is young players getting their opportunity. And she's been one of those players. Obviously, that's playing more as a starter rather than off the bench. And it was just a quote that I love that I thought I'd share with you guys, which was from Prncess Ibini, which said, it's definitely been a season for younger players. And you can see that no one's playing with any fear really, the young players are just going out there and doing their thing. And I think that's kind of reflected the start to the season that we've seen. Oh, yeah, we'll put up the link to that article with Princess Ibini I did for AAP but I love that it's just simple. It's what we want to see these players having such a good time. And it ties into what you were saying about debut goals as well, Sam, it's just these players enjoying themselves and being out there and loving it and not worrying that they're going to stuff up and therefore playing with that trepidation. It's um, it's been really, really exciting to see. I thought Courtney vine had an excellent game as well. And obviously Teresa Polias, an absolute machine in midfield dictated play. Really level head. Like Princess Ibini, again storming game, she won the penalty that Mackenzie Hawkseby scored. Like everything about Sydney this season just feels so good. They just look and play so well together. They understand each other so well. So yeah, it's, I feel bad for Western Sydney, because I thought the game against Newcastle was quite good. I thought they showed much more promise against Sydney in the sort of opening half hour, but things just sort of went against them. Ultimately, in the end, so yeah, but I mean, the Yeah, I'm with you, Sam. I think it's an ongoing thing. We know. biggest talking point to come from that game, which I vaguely tweeted about was the crowd in the sense that there wasn't one really, you know, I don't know why the the Sydney women's Derby was scheduled after the men's I'm assuming it had something to do with broadcasting. The men's Sydney Derby was the ABC game at five o'clock. And I think the Sydney women's Derby was already scheduled to go afterwards anyway. And perhaps it was a good opportunity to experiment and see whether there would be big crowd to hang around for fo the women's Derby. But i didn't, you know, there wer 15,000 people there for th men's game. And I think th official number that came out a the end of the women's was les than 2500. So that's a reall significant drop off. And I'v never really been sold on th idea of doubleheaders Generally, regardless of whethe women play first or second, I think there are other ways n which you can attract mainstre m or casual or men's fans. And I don't think it requires wom n playing in enormous stadiu s that are almost empty, whi h affects the atmosphere, t affects the product on TV. A d the other thing as well is th t after I tweeted the size of t e crowd, when I was sitting in t e media box, I had quite a lot f people respond to me saying th t doubleheader days are real y exhausting. You know, you're n a stadium for six hours r something for two games, or li e that is a long, long time. A d given the crowd that or t e demographics of the W-League end to be sort of younger fa ilies, younger people who have l ves to live, you know, they re not going to want to hang a ound a stadium for six hours t watch two games, particularly ot one that, you know, there's g ing to be hardly any people at n the first place. So, yeah, I m an, I think there's probably a lot more to say about it. An I'll probably address it gain, towards the end of the s ason, once we have some mor data about other doubleheader that as scheduled over the s ason, but yeah, I'm not really s ld They're long days, as you say, Sam, especially if you got um, got young kids or whatever with you, which, yeah, it's a really, it's a reality, like a lot of people have kids or they have other things going on. And it's a big commitment. Ultimately, some people aren't going to be interested in women's football. I think that's something we have to accept from these doubleheaders. Like we've tried playing them before the men tried playing them after the men, a lot of people still don't want to hang around. The big pro that I guess comes with the double headers is access to access to good facilities and stadiums, which is kind of I think, a little bit offset by the fact that you're going to have the as you said, Sam, relatively empty big stadiums, which isn't a good look, you get good pictures, and you tend to get good facilities tend to get a better broadcast experience, I think because you have the doubleheader with Fox slash ABC involved as well. But I'm not sure if all these things are worth it. I think a lot of those factors you could address elsewhere like play the women's standalone games, at grounds consistent home grounds with better pictures with better facilities, like you don't have to have a doubleheader to have that. I think you can still drum up support by having, say Melbourne city and Sydney FC, a league play one day and then the W-League play the next or vice v rsa. I think you can still pum up, you know, like grand final ematch weekend or something lik that. At the end of the day. I just prefer the vibe at stand lone games. I think doublehe ders have had their place. nd I think they'll continue to o on and be some doubleheaders e ery year. So I think that's ust part of where things are at. But I would love to see more and more standalone at sma ler grounds, because I think e're seeing it's the way forwa d in the WBBL and the cricket. I think it's been shown it's t e way forward with the AFLW particularly when those ames get played ahead of en's preseason games in d uble headers, and I think it's probably the way in footba l too that standalone games ar just going to be better, and y u got a crowd that wants to be there that's engaged. And the other thing as well is doubleh aders often tend to be more expe sive. I know you're getting two ames, but to go to the a lea ue is often more expensive than to go the W league. So if yo just want to say the W Leagu , you might not necessarily w nt to fork out for the a lea ue as well. Or sometimes the teams don't line up like it migh be a city victory W-League gam , and then Melbourne city, a le gue and if you're a victory fan maybe you don't want to stic around to see city play delaide or whoever. just pic ing random teams there. But ye h, there's just a lot that I th nk doesn't necessarily line up ith having the best possible ex erience as a

Marissa Lordanic:

Moving right, along with more dub chats. So we had Perth and Adelaide facing each other again in the sequel, because apparently it was just a round of sequels. And it was I think it was a game that really touched on a lot of topics and themes that we've been talking a lot about your young players and there was one player in particular that I think we were all really impressed by in Emily Condon who would like to, I suppose talk about her performance and just Adealide's wider game.

Anna Harrington:

Yeah, Emily Condon was outstanding, and she has been outstanding for all of Adelaide's games so far this season. People probably remember like Emily Condon is a name that has been around for quite a long time, but she's only 22 like This is wild to me. So I when I was researching Emily Condon for my column this week. She started in the league when she was 15. You know, she did the she did the Sam Kerr thing. She started the league when she was super young. This was 2014 before people were really starting to pay any attention to the W League, but her real breakout season was actually a year after she dropped off the radar. So she got quite sick. When she went to represent the Young Matildas overseas, she caught a bug, a flu. And that turned into a really serious virus that took her out for an entire year. But she came back in 201-718 and absolutely blitzed it. That was the year that she was selected and capped for the first time for the senior Matilda's at the Algarve Cup in Portugal in 2018. And, but she sort of again drifted sort of away from the radar in terms of national team conversations a little bit since then. But her performances so far in midfield for Adelaide, I think, have been really, really impressive. And that game against Perth, that second game against Perth was the best of the lot, in my opinion. And not just because she scored, but because she is showing a confidence and creativity in her gameplay and an understanding with her teammates that I think she hasn't quite shown before, to this extent. And not certainly not under the same kind of pressure, or perhaps expectation, because I feel like this Adelaide side are actually really good. You know, we sort of vaguely gestured towards it in our preview pod. But I actually now that I'm watching this Adelaide side, I actually think that there are genuine shots, the top four, I think that they can crack their history now I think that they can finally make finals. With this this side, because, as we spoke about previously, this is a team like Sydney fc, that have had a whole bunch of players in and around the setup for a really long time. And those players are now starting to hit a pretty good run of form all at the same time. And because they've been playing together for so long, they have a really good understanding. They've hit the ground running, they've done everything that they've needed to do for this particular season, whether they planned for it or not given COVID and whatever. You know, that's another question, but I'm really, really loving what Adelaide is doing, I think all areas of the park, they've got covered. They're really exciting in midfield. And Emily Condon, I think is at the heart of that. And Sam the other thing I really liked about Emily Condon was, she showed some resilience on the weekend because she missed a sitter, like she rounded the 'keeper and put it wide and couldn't believe it and plenty of players especially when they're young, that can be the sort of thing that plays on your mind the whole game and you don't necessarily recover from it and you just look at the whole game as an opportunity missed. But for her to bounce back and score the winner and his absolute bullet header in a play set up by the summer of Cote Rojas and I just thought it was fantastic to see a young player do that another thing with Adelaide I think it's been really good for them that they got Perth the first couple of games we talked about Perth obviously having a really disjointed start to preseason this isn't take away from the quality because I think they got better as that game went on. But to clearly get a Perth team that probably is going to take a wide hit straps. And not only do that, but actually get the result convert locking two sets of three points and get some good points on the board early. I think it's really important for Adelaide because it's something that historically they've not done a huge amount of so I think that can always give you confidence because yeah, teams might catch up with easier in quotation marks fixtures later on. But if you back the points, you've got them there. So I think that's a really good thing for Adelaide. It's a base they can build on and you can build confidence and if they can tighten up at the back a bit more I think they they probably wouldn't have been too happy with the gold I can say that against Perth is a great move from Perth but a bit sloppy from Adelaide. And if they can tighten that up, which they have to against the better teams then yeah, they should be right in the mix for the for it's so wide open now especially after the Melbourne Derby, which we'll talk about in a bit.

Marissa Lordanic:

It's a good thing you mentioned that the top four races so wide open and that those early points getting those early wins on the board is so important in this particular season because it segues very nicely into chat about a team who has not bagged those three points early on in the season. We need to talk a little bit more about Brisbane Roar. It just it's just just not happening gals. It's really just not happening. Angela I know you have a joke so I would love for you to lead off with the joke because it's it's low hanging fruit but it's very good.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

I can't believe you're platforming me here with this terrible joke. Brisbane Roar more like Brisbane Draw. Anyway, that that's pretty much the whole situation four out of four, Brisbane Draw. Dear oh dear. I don't have much more to add, but that's that's the issue. They're just not scoring, right. They got decent defense and I think we've talked about this before but then the problem has deepened because we thought maybe by this point they could get a win. I mean, not to disparage Newcastle jets, but this could I feel like this could have been their week. It's just not happening.

Anna Harrington:

One big positive to come from that game Tara Andrews has been fantastic for a long time. And I feel like from Brisbane was Emily Gielnik got on the scoreboard. If you've been very involved, we talked about her in more depth last week about being involved with maybe not using her best attributes or really backing yourself in she certainly did that and put one away, which was fantastic to see. But we were more excited to talk about the other scorer in this game. Tar Andrews from Newcastle. You ma ask why we want to talk abou the reason that we haven't talked about Tara Andrews enough Tara Andrews. Well, it's becaus we just think she's neat. Sam can you elaborate on why w think Tara Andrews is fantastic is because we've had so many other spectacular strikers in the W-League for the last couple of seasons. But Andrews has just been so consistent. And she's been around for such a long time performing at this level scoring goals the way that she has so so regularly. I am actually starting to wonder whether she is going to be in the race for the Golden Boot now. You know she is if she continues in at the right that she is scoring a goal a game. She could really be up there in and around Michelle Heyman quite soon. But Tara Andrews is fantastic and she is a really untraditional kind of Australian striker. You know, we I think we tend to sort of lump a lot of strikers alongside Sam Kerr say this is the ideal but Tara Andrews I think has become a much more sort of classic striker in the sense that she's not especially quick, but she her hold up plays beautiful. She's strong on the ball. Technically, she's very gifted, she reads the play beautifully. And she's excellent in the air. So she's sort of like Michelle Heyman in a lot of ways. And it's just that she doesn't have the hype that Michelle Heyman has got all the Matilda's caps that Michelle Heyman has got and perhaps that has been to Australia's detriment over the years. But one of the things that I really loved learning recently was that apparently Sydney FC have been trying to sign Tara Andrews for the last two seasons, but she has wanted to stay with Newcastle because she loves the club. She loves the players. And she her whole life is up there, of course as well. And I just love that I love that commitment from a player, a player who will probably would probably earn much more money going elsewhere because she's extremely talented, but she wants to stay there and she wants to help build the club and build the team and continue to bring through younger teammates. I think that that's really admirable. And I hope Tara Andrews continues to fly this season and that more people start to appreciate it because she's fantastic. She's been around for ages. And I think people forget she's 26 turning 27. So this one she is when she should be scoring lots of goals. Let's be honest, like, I'm not sure what his aspirations are. But if she wants to push against the national team fold at 26, 27 you should be well and truly to really hitting your strap scoring goals making an impact. And it's probably I guess, a similar conversation to what we had about Michelle Heyman a few weeks back albeit with obviously I think about eight years between them age wise, Newcastle I think we're really impressive against Brisbane. I think that again, like Adelaide, I think this is a really good season for Newcastle I think their team is looking really good. And Brisbane obviously underperformed. They have the kind of squad on paper that should absolutely be steamrolling most teams in the league. But I think Newcastle will really well worth that draw. And a big part of that I think has to do with their midfield. I think I tweeted vaguely about this. After the game. I think the combination that as ash Wilson has, has made in that midfield with Alicia bass and bringing Cassidy Davis I think was a masterstroke and Rianna Pollicina, the young player from RPI who you could tell has experience in futsal because her footwork is just amazing. Her ball control is sensational. It's so so exciting. It brings a completely different dynamic to that midfield and with when you've got someone like Tara Andrews up top as well and you've got a fairly experienced backline and Claire Coelhowho, you know, is a really good goalkeeper as well. I think she's quite solid, and has made a really a bunch of really important saves So far, you know, that's a really good side and that performance against Brisbane, you saw at the end of the game, the players were absolutely gassed because they ran their lungs out. But it was like it was amazing. That's the kind of stuff that you want to say, you know. So I yeah, I just wanted to sort of address that comment from Angela. earlier. Like, I think Newcastle were actually well worth that point. But on a serious note, Brisbane we talk about underachieving not clicking, at what point do we say this is just what this team is like? We're four four games in right. We're a third of the way through their season, they still got time to right this. But surely at some point, if it doesn't click, you have to start having serious doubts over them. I know it's early days, but you can't be unlucky and not have things go your way. Every week at some point it's you know, the table will actually reflect where you sit and who you are. So it's just something I guess for us to ponder these next couple of weeks they get a chance to right that when they host Melbourne victory this week, but if they don't get three points it's looking pretty difficult for them I reckon. We talked about this with with Emily Gielnik chat last week, right like perhaps because Brisbane do have the largest number of matildas senior matildas they have the most international caps I'm pretty sure of any of the teams in the league that there is this feeling of pressure this this expectation that they do need to perform and we this podcast and me and you Harro we've all been part of building this pressure and this expectation in preseason as well in our previews because we look at that squad on paper we say oh my god look at these huge names of course they're going to do well that all feeds into how these players see themselves how they see themselves needing to perform to live up to these expectations. And you know, Emily Gielnik i think is a really a really fitting sort of metaphor for the entirety of Brisbane's season in that regard, because it just feels like they're trying to live up to their names a bit too much without actually just being who they are.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

Sorry Sam, I was just reminded then of those like just be yourself because everyone else is taken. Like you know like the Kmart photo frames maybe we should send them one of those

Anna Harrington:

live laugh love draw.

Marissa Lordanic:

But yeah, no, Brisbane are gonna have to do something because as it stands, they're in fifth on the ladder and right up behind them is Melbourne city, who we now know can produce quite an epic performance, as evidenced on the weekend with their derby win. Harro you were at the game for aap What did you make of it?

Anna Harrington:

Well, last week, we I think pretty justifiably went hard on Rado Vidosic and city for that six nil quantity couldn't not slam them. But I thought this was a fantastic coaching performance and Rado Vidosic it's been a fantastic turnaround from Melbourne city, I thought they were structured up better to give context they won their game three to score the first two goals. And then Melbourne victory got to back before Melbourne City scored the winner via Harriet Withers in the 86 Minute. That's the short version. City set up really well. Vidosic backed in Alex Chidiac to start. He also recalled Rhali Dobson to the starting lineup. And I thought both of those changes are really important. For one thing Chidiac coming in meant Chinatsu Kira into effectively a nine to false nine sort of role depending on how they were structuring up at different times. So it gave him a lot more structure and it paid off because Kira was involved in both of their first two goals. She sort of scrambled the ball forward for Chidiac to score the opener and then it was her cross that forced Claudia Bunge to cut the ball into her neck for the for the second goal. They really put the clamps on players like Kyra Cooney-Cross, though obviously benefited by the fact they obviously benefited from the fact that Lisa De Vanna had a hamstring twinge and didn't play. And she was obviously lethal against them in the first week, but I just thought they're a lot smarter. But Vidosic really talked about how we just needed more belief, better work ethic, more aggression, like the sort of non negotiables in football, and I thought all of those things were there but I also thought the way they structured up they really managed to tighten things up on the wing and they got a lot of joy out of their wide players as well. Withers in particular and it's probably lowered Angie Beard's colours a little bit in terms of a really really good defender a really good fullback who's had to probably Yeah, had our colors lowered a bit. Rhali Dobson got the better of Polly Doron who got hooked around halftime and yeah, it was it was a really well structured performance. to Melbourne victories credit they came back to sensational goals Mindy Barbieri who came in for De Vanna really tested Teagan Micah with a free kick and then put an absolutely unstoppable one in. And then Catherine Zimmerman, who just seems to be growing into the W league unleashed another fantastic goal where she sort of chested down and aerial ball spin on it and just whipped it into the top corner media had a great view from behind Barbieri and Zimmerman for both those goals so the but at the end of the day, both teams went for it at the end. And that was something I really liked. Neither team sat back and tried to hold on for a point they both went for the win and it was City who paid off on the counter and it was great to see Withers that's gonna go because you missed a couple of chances earlier and probably she had bit more composure would have scored earlier in the game but deserved it it was a deserved three points I think. You could have easily seen it go drawer it could have easily gone any way. But to be honest city really deserved the three points and Teagan Micah was fantastic as well and goal she made so many amazing saves. But yeah, absolute belter of a game, check out the highlights if you haven't. But a real I think there's a real credit to Rado Vidosic and his team to not only turn around the game and get like an honorable result, but to properly turn the tables. And I think he out coached Jeff Hopkins in this game. Just fantastic. And I think full credit to them all because you could so easily go into your shells after a performance like the previous week. But they didn't. They turned it on and they they got what they deserved. I think it's also worth mentioning that Rado Vidosic also made a bit of a tweak to the backline of Melbourne city by bringing Jenna McCormick into the center instead of playing her on the right of the back three. And I feel like that really changed things for them because Jenna is a really solid centerback she's really commanding she sees the whole field she makes the right decisions most of the time. And I feel like having her there provided not just a sort of a solid technical foundation or physical Foundation, but a solid foundation of confidence for the rest of the field. Because Jenna being there all the time is terrifying for a striker. She's huge. You don't want Jenna McCormick running at you when you're in a 50/50 situation with the ball in the air, you know, and she won those balls almost every single time whenever the ball was lumped up field, Jenna McCormick was there to clear it up. And so that I think instills the rest of your team with a lot of confidence, particularly your midfielders who are have obviously having a serious job on their hands with people like Kyra Cooney-Cross needing to try and rein them in. But having someone there like Jenna, who has that experience and who in the first sort of 10-15 minutes really shows that and proves that she's there and can be relied upon. I feel like that gave the rest of the squad quite a lot of confidence for the rest of the game. Another note on Jenna McCormick was she actually got forced from the field in the second half apparently she'd copped an elbow last weekend and been fine. I think it was last weekend and then she was obviously bandaged up for the game and then think must have copped another knock because she was apparently feeling a bit dizzy and obviously with the concussion protocols, they yanked her from the game. But Melbourne city how's the timing had Emma Checker return which is fantastic. Emma Checker is a wonderful person and I think a really exciting defender and I actually thought she slotted in really well considering she's not played Rado postmatch said that, despite having her injury, she's been able to do a lot of the fitness stuff so she's as fit as anyone there and she's always her athleticism has always been a strength. I thought she looked really composed. And considering she was very much the junior member of that Melbourne city backline in the championship team. I actually thought she looked like the pilot was picking out the right passes and added a little bit of class when she came on, which is really good for a player who's missed a lot of football and for her I think composure hasn't necessarily always been a strength. So I thought that was a really promising start and Vidosic actually said when they play Adelaide this week, Emma checker will start so one thing with Melbourne city is they've acknowledged that these players they're only going to have 12 games at most to make it count so they want to get these players get the minutes get the miles ticking over in the legs. Which is something Alex Chidiac and they didn't expect will play the full game but push through. checker will probably get more game times ago and signing Noor Eckhoff won't play against Adelaide, because she'll have got our quarantine I think the day before but she'll come in and should have an impact. But yeah, it was um, there were some really good tweaks to them. And to be honest, it took two really really good victory goals to get Back on level pegging, they probably could have also stolen the three points, but for a couple of missed chances, Melina Ayres had to get into the post for one. And they could have snapped a point late. But Natalie Martineau just couldn't get that shot quite an target Emma Checker cleared it away anyway. So yeah, a bit to digest in that. Angela,

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

you can probably say how I felt about the game because there's that beautiful reaction of me on the hill. I would just like to note that Marissa, it was Marissa's decision. So actually, the game the atmosphere at the ground ground was awesome up until the point which we will get to, but yeah, we got there bang on time, me and friend of the pod, Tom and the line was like stretched further than I've ever seen it at Epping. And yeah, it took a little while to get in and then we met Marissa she was like I'm at the Olimpico end and that's what is now known as and that was a good choice because we got to see four out of five of those goals. I couldn't I can't really tell you much about the other end at any point but yeah great spot to sit if you're ever at Epping harvest home road

Marissa Lordanic:

the Olimico end its iconic it's a thing people know people know if you know you know but i'm not i think it's relevant that we do mention the Olimpico end because it was the scene of the biggest unfortunately talking points of the match. We haven't forgotten it we haven't ignored it we thought we should give the actual game the dissection and discussion it deserved before we cracked into what what you're all expecting from us. So we've we've all laced up it's it's time for the boot. So if you have no idea what we're talking about, Anna's about to give you the play by play in the in what has gone down.

Anna Harrington:

Boy are you in for for an experience. Yeah, we wanted to make you listen to all our football thoughts first because all the games deserved it. And all the players deserve their recognition and analysis ahead of who's about to get the boot. So as mentioned before, there were clearly two derby games in a row last week's derby. Some of the A-League. Clearly A-League active support head along, they're pretty boisterous, pretty loud. But as far as things went relatively without incident, I think that wasn't the case this week. So Melbourne city took the lead as we mentioned before, in the 86th minute of this game through Harriet Withers. And in sort of the 89th 90th minute, there's a goal kick and Teagan Micah the city and Matilda's goalkeeper is in front of the Olimpico end, which is where these these Melbourne victory active support Not to be confused with the victory Vikings who are specific W-League supporter group. The victory against the a league active support was to the side of the goal and Teagan Micah I reckon there's a little bit of time wasting happening now she's taking her time to get this ball back into play. And this crowd has taken it far too personally and started heckling and abusing and I get the impression there was a fair bit of abuse directed towards Micah throughout that whole second half with the game getting pretty heated. But a line got crossed there was abuse and then a bottle was hurled on the field. other objects were hurled on the field not just hurled on the field actually hurled in the direction of Teagan Micah and one of them was a glass bottle I'm still not sure how glass bottles managed to get in. But at this point and a full credit here to referee Danielle Anderson. Teagan Micah's gone nah they've grown stuff like she's picked up this glass bottle and a couple of other things thrown them to the side. Referee Danielle Anderson's come over and to her credit sent the rest of the players off for the drinks break. spoken to Teagan Micah wants the crowds calm down and play actually got stopped for quite a few minutes as they tried to settle this all out. I believe they kicked someone out who threw a bottle but it took quite a long time to to settle things down like Emma checker, the city Captain came over and Angie Beard the Melbourne victory Captain had to come over and tell I guess effectively her own fans to cool off. And it was just really really distasteful and to be honest, disgraceful scenes. The w-league is such a as we know, welcoming, safe, friendly environment for any supporters that want to be there and to have that come to the fore. We love chanting we love noise. We love supporters but it got ugly and To I guess, look at the responses from a few of the people involved on the day just to give some context, nobody was happy with it from either side. So, immediately after the game with the press conferences, Jeff Hopkins, slammed the behavior as unacceptable, and said, hopefully we'll deal with it as a club and make sure that doesn't happen again, because it's not a good look at all. Just said, it's not what we want to say. Not at the W-League, not at any game, don't want to see that happen to players Teagan Micah is of course, is also a former victory player, she's in their squad last season. So a lot of the victory players will be close to her would know her would have been devastated with what they saw. Rado Vidosic was also fantastic. He basically said, Come here support your team. That's brilliant. And I'm paraphrasing here a little bit, but to throw things at a goalkeeper, a female goalkeeper, and she's a Matilda. And it's not the right thing. It's the right way of dealing with the situation. Said Teagan Micah was okay, a little bit shaken. When someone starts throwing bottles at you, obviously, it's not nice. And he also made the point. This game is televised to America to China and some other countries and for that to be seen overseas. It just doesn't paint a good picture. He also lauded the work of referee Danielle Anderson, who it was her first game as the lead referee, first W-League game as lead referee. So certainly one she's going to remember just for the way she really acted so swiftly to sort out the situation. And we had more and more come through from the PFA, who obviously also condemned the incident, said the players like all workers have a basic right to safely undertake their profession, this is PFA co Chief, Kate Gill. Clearly today that was not the case. And we are relieved no one was injured, and they were welcoming a full investigation into that. And I think just to sum it up, Teagan Micah herself, who was obviously quite shaken, took to social media to post a statement. And I'll just grab a bit of that there where she said the behavior of the fans at the match is not acceptable and more for sporting football in the women's game. However, it is simply unacceptable to have glass bottles thrown at me, the ground officials and security must do better to protect us. reports will be filed. Something has to be done before a player is seriously harmed. So this is an incident there's totally overshadowed what was a brilliant game. Taken away from the spirit of the day, it's left everyone that was at the game or watching on TV or was caught up from afar. I think finishing the day, really flat and with a really sour taste in their mouth. And I really felt for the different fan groups I felt for the players on both sides. And I especially felt for Teagan micah, who was just trying to do a job and did a fantastic job. Let's not forget, she was absolutely superb in goals in a derby. And effectively has had her day that should have been, you know, just one just a standard workday. But two should have probably been special because you know, she's put on a really good performance in a great win when ruined by people that have done something they shouldn't do, which is intimidate. And yet, which is intimidate a player in their place of work. And yeah, I'll throw it over to you now, Sam, because I think you wrote a couple of pieces about this today. Harro are you summed it up really well there. That was the sort of the black and white of it. But you know, I think it's worth sort of discussing this a little bit more. Setting aside, you know, the horrific possibility that micah could have been hit by a glass bottle and seriously injured on the field. The question that this whole thing raises for me is when we talk about attracting mainstream fans to the W league when we talk about attracting fans of the a-league to the W-league. What exactly does that bring with it? We saw almost two versions of that on Sunday for most of the game, the men's active fans behind the goal. And we know that they were men's active fans because they were wearing t shirts that connected them to an A-League fan group. They looked and sounded amazing. They were chanting and clapping and getting the crowd amped up and inspiring the players. The scenes when Melbourne victory scored their two goals were fantastic. That sort of active support is brilliant. You know, it made an already buzzing atmosphere at the ground even better. It looked and sounded sensational on TV. So when we talk about wanting more active men's fans involved in the women's game, that's what we mean. What we don't mean is what happened at the end. What we don't mean is the aggression, the macho posturing, the belittlement and the overall dangerous behavior that that bottle throw really signified. I think we don't mean the culture that has normalized throwing objects at other people in their workplace, particularly not in a situation like this. We don't want it for them. We don't want it for the other fans in the stadium who felt uncomfortable and unsafe as a result. And we don't want it for the casual fans watching on TV. This was the ABC game. This was the free to air game. This was us advertising ourselves to the world. And they saw a bunch of fuckwits confirming all of the awful stereotypes about Australian soccer fans, the same stereotypes that fans and fan culture more broadly then has to suffer from even further because of over policing. This is the sort of shit that it leads to. And that leads in its own way to the disbanding of active groups, who are the heartbeat and the soundscape of the game here. So this all folds into the ecosystem of Australian soccer. When an incident like this happens, it affects everybody. These are the kinds of behaviors that have been incubated in a male dominated fan culture that equates violence and aggression with support for a team as though if you're not hard enough, you don't care enough. It's already incredibly fucking toxic within the men's game. And I for one don't want it polluting the kind of culture that we've built in the women's game. Despite that, a culture that, as Harro said, is inclusive. It's welcoming, and it's safe for everybody. I feel particularly bad for victory Vikings, who are absolutely amazing, and have been lumped into this whole mess unnecessarily by people who perhaps don't know the landscape or the difference between those two active groups. But their efforts on Sunday, they were set up down the same end of the ground, their banners were there on the fences, and their efforts were completely undermined by what these blokes did. So if bringing more male fans into women's football means bringing the kind of culture and attitudes and behaviors that makes men's football fan culture so unwelcoming, and so unappealing for so many people who don't fit the kind of fucking hard lad sort of mold, whose support for a team is only as good as how well you can fucking insult the opposition or make them fear for their safety then I don't want a single fucking one of them near us ever again. Big old boot from me. Yeah, fucking spot on sand. Like some of the responses I've seen the the wide majority of responses have been condemning this behavior. But I've seen a few along the lines of that, you know, I'd rather have the odd incident rather than have a sterile atmosphere get fucked. The W-League's got a fantastic atmosphere. It's got its own atmosphere. The default shouldn't be what happens in the men because not every male football game has a fantastic atmosphere, give me a spell. We don't have to have abuse and yelling if you want to chant for the team. Okay, fantastic. You're so creative when it comes to chants about your male players. If you want to commit to the W-League, maybe learn what about Angie beard or about Amy Jackson who's played more than 100 W-League games or you know other players you can be creative what being an active supporter doesn't mean and I think a lot of these over these these guys that are just seem to be overloaded with testosterone and anger and a need to prove how masculine they are don't realize, and it's something that's come up in the cricket as well over these past couple of weeks. Having a ticket to a sports event doesn't actually give you the right to abuse and yell at players. I don't know why people have this in their head of I pay and I want to support and therefore I can fucking go after Teagan Micah because she was in Melbourne, Melbourne victory squad last year and she's playing for Melbourne city give me a spell as if you ever paid any attention to Teagan Micah's brief stint at Melbourne victory like that this stuff doesn't need to happen. It doesn't need to come into it. It's it's just really ugly. I saw in the replies to my tweets that I saw someone say it was the first time they'd ever not wanted their daughter there at a W-League game and that's heartbreaking. It really is. It's it's devastating. Because people from so many different communities young, old male female have been able to feel safe and welcome at W-League games, and enjoy the game and active support is great and we've seen how well it can be done. We're all at the Women's World Cup. Were the Dutch supporters absolutely helped carry their team to the final. They weren't singing derogatory chants about their opponents? Well, at least I don't think they were because it was in Dutch, you know, I don't want to make any assumptions. But I'm pretty sure that was all about supporting their team and honestly Sam you're spot on, like, if you can't be a part of it, and you can't be welcoming, then should you really be there at all. The other thing I'll be curious to see is if all the supporters make sure they come back for games against Canberra against Newcastle and they can play them, you know, because it's all well and good rocking up for derbies or for games against Sydney FC. But you've got to show that you are doing more than posturing that you're supporting that you care that you're invested every week. And unfortunately, that behavior just wasn't the case. And another thing that frustrated me was people saying the one bad egg line about someone throwing a bottle because clearly that person felt enabled to do that they've, their behavior was totally enabled by the actions around them. And yet a lot of the chanting was great, but there was clearly some abusive and pretty off chants happening at intervals as well, from that group. I just found it. Yeah, as I said before, really disconcerting. It was embarrassing for those involved. And I just felt for the players. And Jeff Hopkins actually made it it's not as important to point as the other things. But by those victory fans doing that they actually had the game stop. And that worked in city's favor as well, they were able to take a break and stop and then slow the game down again with victory pressing for an equalizer. So it's not about your loyalty and your passion and your fandom at all. It's just about you. And it was just boot worthy. That's the best way of putting it.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

Yeah. And last week, I, we were at the fawkner derby as well. And I should flag I don't go to a whole bunch of A-league games, I don't really know, the landscape of active support. sort of know, the, I guess the contours of the different details there. But I've wondered, I was watching them last week and wondering if my discomfort at some of the things that they were saying or the way that they were acting was on me, if that makes sense. Because I was like, maybe I'm just missing something here or sort of buying into that, like maybe this is what real football support is, I don't know, which is stupid, because I follow women's football. And that's just as valid and the like support that I've seen in the women's game is just as valid. So anyway, and they got a tentative boot that Marissa had to cut, because we do love a hefty boot. And we did quite a bit of that last week. And it was a tentative sort of thing. But it is that sort of idea that I guess last week that something could happen. And that's the sort of conversation around safety. And I think masculinity as well, that comes into this because as you said, Harro are like, these particular groups are only showing up for certain games, that tie in with a lot of the narratives that are already built in the men's game. And they're building on that to, you know, prove something about themselves. And they found it sort of functions as a group. So it might be the one bad egg thing. But when you're sitting near a group of young men who are yelling aggressively, you just sitting there thinking, God, I hope this situation doesn't get worse God, I hope that this can be calmed down. Because from where I was sitting on the weekend, I've never seen a situation quite like that at a women's game. And it's worth noting that so one of the security guards went off and I think brought in another one who was more qualified to deal with the situation. And basically, he responded by speaking in a language that they understand and just blew up at them. And while that might not be the most I don't know, in terms of like mediation tactics. I think it did sort of work in the sense that then someone was escorted off. And props to that guy. Props to that guy. Because I think it was one of those things where they weren't just they just weren't listening. They didn't care that Sam Johnson was like, What's your deal? They didn't care that Teagan Micah was like, What are you doing? Didn't care that their own captain was like, Guys, stop it. You know what I mean? And he had a very strong Scottish accent. So he went full, Malcolm Tucker so it was brilliant. Anyway. And he basically said what a lot of us were feeling I think as well about the whole situation. Like why you guys being so thick right now? Yeah, in that situation of safety. Yeah, nothing happened to me. And no one got hurt. But the been on the precipice of that could happen. And if you were a bystander, you don't want to intervene like someone like me, I'm not going to intervene. And I was speaking with Tom about this. And he's like, yeah, like, it's even worse potentially, if you're a guy and you try and go in and be like, Hey, calm down, because the mob mentality of someone potentially turning on you, and then that situation getting escalating. It puts you in a really, really tough position. Props to Yeah, basically the referee, Danielle, and everyone else who dealt with the situation, I think it was handled quite well, but does bring in a lot of questions, I think, because we've had this wonderful, safe environment. Now we're going to have to re consider how things are done in the W-League, or they there are going to have to be questions asked about the security of these games and which sucks, but is necessary, unfortunately. And it's sad that it's reached a point where that's to happen, but can do an impression of the security guard.

Anna Harrington:

Please

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

hang on. One quote that did stand out. And also Sam, I know, you've been asking what sort of stuff we heard, I think, from the position where we were at the hill, we could hear a lot of noise. So I only got bits and pieces of when he was responding as well. I couldn't always hear clearly, I was saying, but one of the things that did stand out was like him going, fuck me. And I don't care if you go home and tell your parents I'm a c#$%. And that will always be in my mind, thank you to that security guard. Sometimes you can't cry, you're gonna laugh at that. Anyway.

Anna Harrington:

I think you do raise a valid point though, Angela, and fantastic imitation spot on stuff, really, of how security's hand we've gone for because I think I'm no expert in the field. But I think they clearly need to be more of a presence. And I know we talked about not wanting to over police active areas, but I felt that there needs to be more of a presence because it was quite tense, especially in the second half. Once it gets back to two all and it's getting a bit rowdy and Teagan Micah and the city defense have got these guys at their backs the whole time. I don't know if it was just that it's the W league it's not gonna kick off, there's not going to be I don't know if it was a level of naivety or if people thought it was under control, but it escalated like and clearly you guys have pointed out from the hill there was some of this talk and this sort of boisterous and beyond boisterous I guess behavior going on all day. I think it probably needed to be addressed earlier to stop it getting to the point where Teagan Micah was clearly getting a lot of abuse and then obviously we end up with the bottle throwing something to probably work in maybe just before we're talking about with with Angela with the fan cultures. One thing that really stood out to me in terms of some of these guys being a league fans that have appropriated the W-League for their own active support measures was then pulling out that Melbourne victory chant that they direct at Melbourne city in the a league of your shit when you red your shit when you blue fuck off heart and fuck city too Melbourne heart never had a W-league team. There was never a Melbourne Heart w-league team. You just showing your ignorance. I heard it multiple times in the game. I was like No, you're wrong. Like this is never a thing. Yeah, I've seen Melbourne city w-league wear red and white but they certainly weren't shit. They were winning championships like Melbourne heart never had a W league team. If you're going to be active support, and you're going to take over and be like no, no, we don't need to work with this other active support group because we're great. And we're awesome active support and the W-League's better with us. Maybe come up with some original chants, bring something learn about the players do chants about the players. Melina Ayres's celebrated with you last week, maybe focus on her get a chant for her going, like if you want to be recognized and maybe have people in your corner every now and then and they're not gonna have any after the what happened in that game. Bring something new, like show your investment show that it's about this team and the club, not just about you, as we said before posturing to want to get I don't know, kudos in the active support world.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

They also I had to double check this with Marissa I was like, did they just say boys in blue? And Marissa was like Hmm, yeah. Yep, couldn't even be bothered to change to the like just the broader context of being a women's football, not men's football. Anyway,

Sam Lewis:

I wanted to quickly mention one thing as well, just to highlight something Angela said earlier, which is about the idea of different kinds of support being valid and invalid. I think that this, this, this game in this moment really throws into sharp relief, the idea that there are different ways in which you can support a team. And just because w-league support doesn't look like a-league support doesn't mean it's any less valuable. It doesn't mean it's any less valid, less legitimate. And it doesn't mean it's any less appreciated by the players. They love active support, talk to any of them, they adore having people there, talk to anybody who's involved in any of the other women's specific fan groups, people from the Roar Corps call people from the Jets active. Like they're small groups, but they contribute in such a positive way to not just the fan experience at stadiums and on broadcast games. But to the players on the field. They appreciate having people there who spur them on in positive ways. You know, I can't imagine that any of the victory players in Sunday's game appreciated any of the chants that those guys were hurling at their opposition, because they were mean spirited. They were belittling they were insulting, you know, that sort of stuff. I don't even think that that's legitimate in the A-League, I don't even think that that's valuable in men's football, honestly, I think that it's, it's pathetic, if that's the only way in which you feel like you can support your team, I think you need to get more creative. Because it's just regardless of sport, you know, like it just like punching down, putting people down. Like, I just, I just don't get it, it's so and I'm, this thing we have is so precious, you know, and leading into 2023, this league matters more than ever, we need this LEAGUE to thrive. And this league thriving counts on fans as much as it does on the players. And an incident like this really throws a spanner in all that it's such a bad look it makes everybody feel terrible. And it's it's just, you know, I'm just sort of lost for words, I almost feel like I'm getting really emotional about it. Because, you know, the W-league and its community has been built in the shadow of people like this. These are the kinds of people who have ignored women in football for the vast majority of its existence. And now they're swooping in and trying to as harro said, appropriate it, trying to claim it trying to come in and act like it's yours. That entitlement is so infuriating. And for people who have turned out fans, women's fans who have turned out week after week after week, who've put in hours of work coming up with chants for players coming up with songs, painting banners, doing all the stuff that you do for the W-League, they feel completely invalidated by moves like this. So yeah, I mean, I don't I don't have a conclusion to that. And it's just, it's awful. And it's really disappointing. And I hope, I really hope that Melbourne victory come out soon to condemn it, because I haven't done it so far. It's high. It's half past 11 on Monday night, and they haven't made a statement yet. And I think that's appalling. And

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

yeah, that lack of is at the center of is just like a selfishness and that entitlement that, well, we want to be there, don't you want us there or you don't want us there? You know, like, we get to set the rules. And I think that that was really epitmosied. At the end of the game, they'd all left really quickly. And victory Vikings still had their flags up on the railings, and we're taking them down their big blue flag and the rainbow flag and then just like behind that in the foreground is just all this trash that they've left. They didn't even clean up after themselves. Know that Really? Yeah. And the hill was left in a state. Now that sounds real grabbing pearls at this point. But I think it sort of, I don't know it was a really sad thing to say to me.

Anna Harrington:

Also like this one bad egg idea of you know, it's only certain people that give us a bad name. Call it out. Like if someone next to you is being a fuckwit you can call it out and that was so embarrassing. they you know they talk about you know, we you know we're it's the real big strong man you can't tell us what to do we support our team this way and that's how we like to support our team. It's like it's embarrassing though. Your your mate next to you is harassing a 23 year old goalkeeper. How do you not see this as an issue you using chants that have got a times derogatory language you You don't actually have to, they talk about our people are sheep and go on with the crowd. This is the biggest, biggest example of thing of sheep. Going along with this sort of stuff, like feeling like this is what you have to do. And this is how to be a real supporter. Ldas, W-League's existed for a long time before you can exist for a long time without you. I think the players loved having extra support those two games, and I'm sure there were plenty there that didn't want to make noise and have a good time. But if you're gonna want to take credit for all for the good things you do in terms of noise, and you know, extra vibe or whatever, you have to stand up and take it when you when your stuff up when you fuck up. You got to take some accountability for what's happened. And, yeah, it's really it is really disappointing. And I'm sure though will be Teagan Michah has said she filed a report. That means there'll be an investigation the PFA said as much. And I'm sure there'd be stuff that comes out of that. To make sure I think the situation like this never happens again, because it can't happen again. But yeah, it's it's just really disappointing. I thought it would be fantastic to have more and more men's active support, get around the W-league. As someone that's been in, you know, when I was younger, and Sam has been inside active supporter groups like in the area, getting involved in active support before it can be fantastic. And they can be so many positives, and to have men's fans want to get around the W-League is fantastic, but they've actually got to support it, not set it back. And unfortunately, I think we can all agree what happened the other day set back the act of support cause in women's football.

Marissa Lordanic:

So yeah, as Sam said, At this stage, there have been there's been no formal recognition of what happened from victory who I think really need to say something so I hope that by the time this pod comes out, this sentence is completely redundant, but um, I really hope we never have to speak about something like this ever again. So I think yeah, we really, now more than ever, we really need to jump into some how goods. So Angela, would you like to kick us off with the how good.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

I don't know. I don't know who Morris is. I wanted to find out who Morris is.

Marissa Lordanic:

Let me find him. It was just a photo that Adelaide posted and this dog was absolutely no thought just vibes on a beach in Adelaide. And it was awesome.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

How good

Marissa Lordanic:

I assume it's one of the players stocks. But literally he is just frolicking on this beach. And I want what he has

Anna Harrington:

Oh he is to have a great time. Oh, how about one where he's like jumpingboots. It's just It's so good.

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

Morris's the only men i trust after this weekend. speaking of, I think that leads nicely into Harro's How good about trust?

Anna Harrington:

Yeah,there's no better way to betray trust them with a snitch tag, which has happened to a friend of the pod, Jeff, but you know, I don't mind it to be honest. So when watching the Melbourne Derby, friend of the pod Jeff or nice orange on Twitter has tweeted, Alex Chidiac moves with all the grace of a malfunctioning animatronic theme park exhibit and yet is deadly at football. It's very pleasing.Old mate Chids has been tagged, replied or quote tweeted. So. I'll take this as a compliment. And posted with it a GIF of the dinosaur from Toy Story at Jurassic Park just being like, hey, and it's sensational. So yeah, Alex Chidiac embracing a bizarre compliment. HOW good.

Marissa Lordanic:

It was so good. And just the phrasing from Jeff just malfunctioning animatronic theme park exhibit, like the man's a phonestly,

Angela Christian-Wilkes:

He's has been to the museum in Canberra, the dinosaur museum.That's all of the exhibits.

Marissa Lordanic:

But yes, Sam. a How good.

Sam Lewis:

So my how good this week is a reconvening of the Teresa Polias Appreciation Society. Yeah, yes. Teresa Polias this week of course in the Sydney FC Captain became the first W-League Player to reach 150 games, which is absolutely amazing. We know that Teresa Polias is a fantastic player. She is arguably an even better person when she was asked about her milestone by the media after The Derby win she was, as expected, incredibly humble, she said that she was really grateful for the opportunity to be part of such a fantastic club. And that she was really grateful to be surrounded by so many wonderful people and wonderful teammates. So a huge shout out to Teresa Polias and also to Sydney FC generally, and the environment and the culture that they've built there. I think given our last conversation, it's it's a real sort of polar opposite example. So shout out to Teresa Polias 150 games is an extraordinary milestone. How good

Anna Harrington:

How good

Marissa Lordanic:

Yep, just Teresa Polias' longevity. absolutely incredible. How bloody good anyway, that's, that's been a big one for us. Thank you for listening. We hope that you know we've given you some food for thought some laughs and you know, some otherwise good women's football chat. You can subscribe to us wherever you listen to your podcasts, whether that be Apple, Google or Spotify, you can follow us at the far post pod on all social medias. We're still accepting dub at the pub submissions for the far totes. o make sure you get around that here's a tweet and an Instagram ost if you don't know what e're talking about. And you can ind out how you can win one of ur gorgeous totes from the one en merch machine but um, until ext week, see yas